Interview with Prof Adrian S Woolf

 

Prof Adrian S Woolf
Professor of Nephrology and Head of the Nephro-Urology Unit
Institute of Child Health
University College London
London, United Kingdom

 

Dr Goldsmith: Why did you go into medicine?

Prof Woolf: I don't know - perhaps a psychologist can work it out. My father began to train as a rabbi but switched to art school and became a hairdresser; my mother was a nurse. As a boy, I liked the Volvo driven by our family doctor but now I have no interest in make of cars.

 

Dr Goldsmith: Why into Nephrology?

Prof Woolf: At Westminster Hospital Medical School, London, there was an inspiring Nephrology team with Malcolm Milne (who had a great interest in tubule metabolic disease), Lavinia Loughridge (an intriguing person) and Mike Bending (the Senior Registrar who 'knew everything'). After qualifying, at first I wanted to do Psychiatry but, in the end, Nephrology won. As a medical Registrar, I worked with Jeffrey O'Riordan and Willie Slater at the Middlesex Hospital, London, they taught me about calcium and sodium metabolism at the interface of Endocrinology and Nephrology; I subsequently did my first research with Peter Moult, another Endocronologist, on atrial natiuretic peptide. From circulating hormones acting on the adult kidney, it is a short conceptual step to paracrine and autocrine factors which control embryonic kidney growth.

 

Dr Goldsmith: What area interests you most in your research career?

Prof Woolf: Working out why children are born with malformations of the urinary tract, the commonest cause of chronic renal failure in early life. In most cases it is still a mystery two of our favourite theories include de novo mutations of nephrogenesis genes and subtle alterations of environmental factors such as maternal diet.

 

Dr Goldsmith: You work with paediatric patients of course - how can we best support Paediatric Nephrology?

Prof Woolf: I think that Paediatric and Adult Nephrology should interact more. There is room for a new sub-specialty, in the form of Adolescent Nephrology. There would be the challenge of giving best care to teenagers with renal disease and, moreover, little is known about long term (i.e. many decades) follow-up of common Paediatric Nephrology disorders such as reflux nephropathy, posterior urethral valves, Henoch Schonlein purpura, congenital solitary kidney etc. In addition, advances in dialysis and transplantation technology mean that a 'new' group of children, born with severe kidney malformations and renal failure, is surviving into adulthood  what will happen to them and will they give rise to a further generation with kidney malformations?

 

Dr Goldsmith: How can we best promote "Academic Medicine"?

Prof Woolf: I don't really know. With regard to research, in the 90's, we hosted a series of young Paediatric medics who did laboratory research and PhD theses. More recently, perhaps driven by political, management, service delivery and formal training pressures, I perceive that risk-taking and career flexibility are less encouraged  both, however, are needed for a research pathway in 'Academic Medicine'. By contrast, we continue to host a stream of excellent Paediatric Urology clinical fellows who are keen to do both basic and translational laboratory research; that is good because, in Paediatric practice, kidney and lower tract disease often coexist.

 

Dr Goldsmith: How would you persuade a junior doctor to embark upon Nephrology as a career (or would you)?

Prof Woolf: I would not attempt to persuade anybody. I would say "look around, talk to people, read the best journals and then make up your own mind".

 

Dr Goldsmith: Did you have, or do you have, a role model, mentor or significant influence in medicine?

Prof Woolf: Brian Gazzard, who taught me Gastroenterology when I was a medical student, said something along the lines "Medicine does not become interesting until you know a lot" - I agree with that. Leon Fine was my mentor at University of California, Los Angeles when I was a Travelling Research Fellow 1989-1991; Leon is a great lateral thinker and had sent several of his US Nephrology Research Fellows to work in basic science units, everything from cell biology to fruit flies. It was a very different attitude from anything I had yet to experience in my UK Nephrology training. Martin Barratt, the Emeritus Professor of Paediatric Nephrology at the Institute of Child Health, London, has a crystal-clear logical mind and (nearly) always catches me out when I lecture. I have learnt a lot about human genetics from Sue Malcolm, another Emeritus Professor at the Institute of Child Health.

 

Dr Goldsmith: What piece of research, or publication, are you proudest of?

Prof Woolf: I am always thinking about the next publication. Working with Simon Welham, a junior scientist, we recently showed that rather modest alterations of diet ingested by pregnant animals cause major alterations of cell turnover and gene expression on the first day when the embryonic kidney forms, correlating with subsequent renal growth. The human implication would be that whatever our mothers ate in the first two months of our own gestations determined how many glomeruli we have in our kidneys.

 

Dr Goldsmith: How do you relax in your time away from your work?

Prof Woolf: By counting my Nature research papers (it is not a very strenuous activity) and reading books belonging to my two daughters (Martha, 3 years old, and Lily, two years old).

 

Dr Goldsmith: Where do you see yourself in 5 years time from now?

Prof Woolf: If I knew where I would be in 5 years, life would be too boring. In the end, I would like to live in a cliff-top house overlooking the ocean and write a novel, with my wife (Kate Hillman, an Adult Nephrologist), earning the cash for unlimited wine and gin Martinis. Before that, I want to go deeper into kidney Developmental Biology, working with model systems like fish and flies, as well as continuing to study human disease.